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wait what is this

This post has been edited by RCT3pyromaster: Jan 14 2008, 08:44 PM

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

A must see movie! For a snippit - see here

http://youtube.com/watch?v=KeZB2EsPqGE

This post has been edited by Brad: Jan 14 2008, 11:31 PM

I watched this recently. I am not the best at writing or expressing my feelings, but after doing some research and reading other reviews, this guy sums up my feelings almost exactly. IF I were a writer, my review would have went something like this:

"Zeiting the Geist

The latest bit of guerrilla media to take the online universe by storm is “Zeitgeist, the Movie.” Clocking in at close to two hours’ length, and with over a million views on Google Video since its June 26th “official” release, Zeitgeist is a grabby, cranky, can’t-stop-watching-it documentary that purports to tell the real truth about Christianity, 9/11, and the International Bankers.

Exactly who is behind the video is unclear, although someone with the moniker of “Peter J.” has posted an online letter claiming credit and explaining Zeitgeist’s message to those who may have somehow failed to grasp the worldview that the video hammers home.

And what is that worldview, pray tell? Religions in general, and Christianity in particular, are primarily systems of social control. 9/11 was an inside job and the destruction of the WTC twin towers and building 7 were aided by controlled demolition. And finally, International Bankers, through the Federal Reserve and the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), control our money and our future, leading to, ta da, the coming One World Government and the microchipping of everyone.

Exactly how all this fits together is left to the viewer’s imagination or, presumably, the film-maker’s hash pipe. Are those who manipulate Christianity for control purposes in cahoots with the Bankers, and were the Bankers in on the 9/11 caper? Zeitgeist sidesteps such logical questions through the use of the all-purpose term, “the elite,” a shadowy group of rich and powerful men who want nothing more than to enslave humanity and reap block-buster profits through the promotion of wars and financial crises.

For conspiracy buffs, this is all pretty standard fare, and, indeed, aficionados of the genre will find little new in “Zeitgeist.” The notions that most religions were originally a kind of solar worship, and that the Jesus Christ story recapitulated the mythos of numerous other “dying gods,” were floating around in the late 1700s. Fittingly, the video features a quote from Thomas Paine reducing Christianity to warmed-over sun worship, which was a daring bit of religion-baiting 200 years ago, albeit not so earth-shattering today.

The nefarious International Bankers meme has been propagating itself since at least the mid-1800s and has long been a mainstay of radical right-wing circles where it has often overlapped with mutterings about Jewish cabals.

The 9/11 truth segment of the video is, of course, of much more recent vintage, but, here too, it mostly repeats accusations that have gotten widespread play in the uber-skeptic milieu.

Breaking new factual ground is not what Zeitgeist is about, however. Rather, the video is a powerful and fast-acting dose of agitprop, hawking its conclusions as givens. Unfortunately, like most propaganda, it doesn’t play fair with its intended audience. At times, while watching it, I felt like I was getting Malcolm McDowell’s treatment in Clockwork Orange: eyes pried wide open while getting bombarded with quick-cut atrocity photos.

At other times, Zeitgeist engages in willful confusion by showing TV screen shots of network or cable news with voice-overs from unidentified people not associated with the news programs. If one weren’t paying close attention, the effect would be to confer the status and authority of TV news upon the words being spoken. Even when quotes or sound bites are attributed to a source, there’s no way to tell if they are quoted correctly or in context.

Late in the video, there’s a supposed quote from David Rockefeller, which, if genuine, would be an astounding confession of complicity in mass manipulation. But, of course, the quote is not sourced or dated, which renders it useless. (The video’s website does feature a Sources page, but a hodge-podge list of books, with no page numbers cited, is of little value for source verification.)

The over-all temper of the video is rather like the John Birch Society on acid, with interludes by Harry Smith. Incongruously, after spending nearly two hours trying to scare the bejeezis out of its viewers, Zeitgeist ends on an oddly upbeat note, telling us that Love — not Fear — is the answer, We are all One, and featuring sound-bites from Ram Dass and Carl Sagan.

It’s a shame, really, that Zeitgeist is, ultimately, such a mess. There are plenty of legitimate questions about what transpired on 9/11, just as there are plenty of shady doings in international finance or puzzling aspects of religious history, for that matter. And what is coming down in the name of National Security is truly unnerving. Yet, bundling them all together in disjointed fashion does justice to none of them. Time and again, Zeitgeist maximizes emotional impact at the expense of a more reasoned weighing of evidence. But, perhaps that’s the intention.

I’ve often pondered about what it might take to snap everyone out of the walking dream we collectively entered on 9/11/01. Just as the fall of the Berlin Wall provided the emotional pivot for the end of the Cold War, only a collective experience of an intensity equal to that of 9/11 might jolt us awake as to what is really happening in the corridors of power and certain undisclosed locations.

It’s my hunch that Zeitgeist is one attempt to provide such a jolt, and it does indeed pack a certain punch. Too bad it also runs off in three directions at once, and is so indiscriminate in its sources and overly certain of its conclusions. Zeitgeist may be powerful, but its power is tainted with some simplistic and pernicious memes that have already received more propagation than they deserve. The video’s producer does inform us that “It is my hope that people will not take what is said in the film as the truth . . .”

Indeed."


Source: Boing Boing

Well that's a load of bs, it explains CLEARLY about religion and stuff. The creator didn't make it up, he got it from several sources. The fact this guy is rejecting clear facts tells me he's either in a state of denial or is religious who resents the bit about religion (probably refuses to admit what is stated in the video). It's pretty simple, people can't deal with stuff like this - so they reject it 100% writing oh-so-witty know-it-all blog posts and comments like this.

Instantly branded as conspiracy theories even though there are perfectly valid statements in it. While I do agree some of it is far fetched, most of it is true and it pisses me off when people get presented with a fact - and dismiss it as ludicrous.

Did you read his review? I don't believe the reviewer rejected 'clear' facts and never really dismissed anything as ludicrous. It's just saying it's really hard to tell as there is no clear direction with the movie. Even you state, '...most of it is true." Well, what's mostly true and what isn't? If the filmmaker is presenting it all as fact, then it is ALL true, no?

In any case, the reviewer above thought exactly what I did when I watched and the main points to me were:

1) There were three parts to this but the filmmaker did not tie the three together.

2) The filmmaker is re-hashing things that have been said for years but just doesn't do it very well. To me, it SEEMS like a poorly made conspiracy theory movie so it's hard to take it seriously. I'm not saying that there aren't facts in there... they are just poorly presented.

"It’s a shame, really, that Zeitgeist is, ultimately, such a mess." He is agreeing that are legitimate questions surrounding the subject matter and these things should be taken seriously.

Again, I don't disagree or refute what is being said in the movie, it's just hard to take it seriously when there are no credits given, etc. I especially didn't like the voice-overs when it wasn't stated who was saying what and when. It was just a voice with no date, source or any other information.

I would love to see a reputable movie made on this content in clear and concise manner. Michael Moore was close in regard to 9/11, but it was Michael Moore. People are extremely one-sided on these types of issues (in either direction), it's hard not to put their emotions in it, back up and look at everything - the big picture - not just what they believe AS fact.

I'm sorry but that review was just a poor attempt to reject a film using clever rhetoric.

Unfortunately though the whole point of Zeitgeist is that it pulls all of these ideas together into one place making them more accessible. This film is NOT about making new, cutting edge theories, it's about taking existing ones and compiling them so that they can be more easily publicised.

Admittedly, it was poorly made, but I didn't watch it for the aesthetics of it now did I? If I wanted some beautifully present piece of cinematography containing utter bullshit I'd watch one of the many hundreds of god awful Hollywood films.

Frankly the whole argument of "It's not very well strung together, I don't like it!" is complete horse ######. This person is clearly NOT a professional film maker but he did his best and by god did he do a good job of it.