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 Sep 18 2007, 04:01 PM
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Corporate Display Pyrotechnician  Group: Moderation Posts: 932 Joined: 22-May 06 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 38  |
Okay, time to get some good old debating going on here...
God exists. True or false? Personally I'm almost a complete atheist, having recently read Dawkins' "The God Delusion" So, where do we all stand? --------------------  SOL THIS YEAR .:: tom :: vPyro global moderator :: ilyxr dynamics musical director::. .::tom_w@rctpyro.com :: ideamusic::. |
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Sep 18 2007, 04:10 PM
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 <witty comment> Group: Admin Posts: 3,859 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Member No.: 1 |
False.
God, and all religions for that matter, are the remains from the infancy of our intelligence. It exists to give people meaning and hope where Science can not yet explain. It exists to keep the masses in check and it exists because has been around for so long. People can't contend with the fact that life is life, you live and you die. THAT'S IT - there's no gray area here. People need to understand that religion only poisons the mind and gives you false hope, promising things that can't be fulfilled and preaching to deities that don't exist. That's where I stand, but it's possible either party could be wrong. There are some things we don't understand, some things we aren't meant to understand perhaps? This post has been edited by Brad: Sep 18 2007, 04:14 PM -------------------- |
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Sep 18 2007, 05:32 PM
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 Major Public Display Pyrotechnician Group: Palakpakan Posts: 1,157 Joined: 29-July 06 From: Rainy England Member No.: 375 |
Atheist. Since the 2nd year I stopped bowing my head in assemblies (before that I thought I'd get detention for doing so) when a prayer is said.. after that more and more people stopped.. and now half the year is atheist. Win?
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Sep 18 2007, 10:30 PM
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 Airplane Fanatic Group: Full Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 18-May 06 From: America Member No.: 7 |
haha, you guys are gonna hate me
 I say true Question... What caused the big bang? It happened, but what actually caused it to happen? Another thing.... In ancient times (when Jesus was alive) it was common that if something was genuinely important, it would be recopied about 1-15 times.... How about the bible? They've found over 10,000 ancient manuscripts. That means that something significant must have happened during the years which were recorded in the book... These are my thoughts, and I'm not trying to evangelize... I personally hate those cocky your-wrong-and-im-right evangelists... By the way I'm Catholic... Catholics are kind of reserved compared to many other Christian sects (not saying they're bad in any way, shape, or form  ) so you won't here me saying "Allelluia Allelluia throw your hands in the air!!!!" hahaIn contradiction to that Dawkin's book, try reading "A Case for Christ" or "A Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel. The guy was originally trying to disprove the existence of God and ended up converting! This post has been edited by msiber: Sep 18 2007, 10:35 PM -------------------- ~<Signature Under Construction>~ -msiber |
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Sep 18 2007, 10:43 PM
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 What is another word for thesaurus? Group: Full Members Posts: 803 Joined: 21-July 06 From: Somewhere It Seems. Member No.: 336 |
Although debating this topic wouldn't be my strong suite, I say true because I am catholic. And that is what I beleave.
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Sep 18 2007, 10:48 PM
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Airplane Fanatic Group: Full Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 18-May 06 From: America Member No.: 7 |
Another thing that I know from one of my friends who's from England...
he says that most (if not all) the people that go to church where he lived were old f-a-r-t-s and cotton tops. In the U.S., that is definitely not true So... I guess religion isn't as popular among the aged 0-40 crowd in the U.K....? This post has been edited by msiber: Sep 18 2007, 10:48 PM -------------------- ~<Signature Under Construction>~ -msiber |
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Sep 18 2007, 11:00 PM
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<witty comment> Group: Admin Posts: 3,859 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE Question... What caused the big bang? It happened, but what actually caused it to happen? Another thing.... In ancient times (when Jesus was alive) it was common that if something was genuinely important, it would be recopied about 1-15 times.... How about the bible? They've found over 10,000 ancient manuscripts. That means that something significant must have happened during the years which were recorded in the book... Precisely what I was getting at. You don't know how it happened, so you turn to god to answer your question. You find solace in the fact that what you say is true and you believe it. It doesn't make you think about it, you just accept it. Where Science can not yet prove something, religion is the escape for many people. It puts their minds at rest, it doesn't make them think about it because they don't have to. From my experience, I've not seen one religious White Briton in my time. If you took a survey, I bet the vast majority would either say "None" or "Christian". Out of all the people who say Christian, I reckon 9/10 of them don't even know what Christianity is, let alone practice it. As I say, religion is from the infancy of our intelligence. We haven't yet moved on as it's been part of the cultures of the world for so long. Think about it this way: If religion never existed and out of the blue, someone came into the spotlight proclaiming "All that you see around you was created by God! Pray to him, worship him!" everyone would think he's nuts and probably lock him up. Religion is only here because it's been here for so long. Eventually, we'll leave it behind. Personally, I can't wait for that day. 
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Sep 18 2007, 11:03 PM
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Corporate Display Pyrotechnician Group: Moderation Posts: 932 Joined: 22-May 06 From: United Kingdom Member No.: 38 |
QUOTE(msiber @ Sep 18 2007, 11:30 PM)  Question... What caused the big bang? It happened, but what actually caused it to happen? We don't know. But that doesn't mean we can postulate God as the cause. QUOTE(msiber @ Sep 18 2007, 11:30 PM) Another thing.... In ancient times (when Jesus was alive) it was common that if something was genuinely important, it would be recopied about 1-15 times.... How about the bible? They've found over 10,000 ancient manuscripts. That means that something significant must have happened during the years which were recorded in the book... Again, this doesn't really prove God's existence; simply that "something" was happening. How do we know that Jesus wasn't just a really nice guy and that over time myths have developed about God and miracles and suchlike? The only source we have is the Bible, and the number of contradictions in it would suggest that its various authors simply all interpreted events differently... Also, I just want to say... let's keep this whole thing nice and respectful. I've been on too many forums when debates have turned nasty. So, happy faces Edit: Blast, it seems Brad got there before me. Some of your stats are a bit skewed, Brad. I know several pracitising Christians, all of whom attend church etc etc. You should read the Dawkins book, it suggests several feasible genetic explanations for the continued presence of religion in society. This post has been edited by Whiteout: Sep 18 2007, 11:07 PM -------------------- SOL THIS YEAR .:: tom :: vPyro global moderator :: ilyxr dynamics musical director::. .::tom_w@rctpyro.com :: ideamusic::. |
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Sep 18 2007, 11:12 PM
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<witty comment> Group: Admin Posts: 3,859 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Member No.: 1 |
QUOTE Blast, it seems Brad got there before me. Some of your stats are a bit skewed, Brad. I know several pracitising Christians, all of whom attend church etc etc. You should read the Dawkins book, it suggests several feasible genetic explanations for the continued presence of religion in society. Really? Wow. I would still think we are, at least, a mostly agnostic nation. Oh, and I'll look into Dawkins book, cheers. 
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Sep 18 2007, 11:25 PM
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Airplane Fanatic Group: Full Members Posts: 1,216 Joined: 18-May 06 From: America Member No.: 7 |
Seems like I'm loosing this debate
What I meant up there is that the people that painstakingly rewrote the bible and translated it wouldn't have done so if they didn't absolutely know that what they were writing down was true. I'll have to do some research and come up with a few more reasons why I believe God exists.... Another thing about myself - I absolutely hate religion books that go ON AND ON about God and how great He is and stuff and blah blah blah... I just like the facts This is turning into a very interesting thread! This post has been edited by msiber: Sep 18 2007, 11:26 PM -------------------- ~<Signature Under Construction>~ -msiber |
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Sep 19 2007, 10:38 PM
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 Spanish pyrotechnician Group: Full Members Posts: 334 Joined: 21-October 06 From: Spain Member No.: 919 |
QUOTE(conrail92 @ Sep 19 2007, 12:43 AM) Although debating this topic wouldn't be my strong suite, I say true because I am catholic. And that is what I beleave. I say true... I'm catholic too -------------------- If you are reading that, you have a lot of free time... Congratulations!!
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Sep 19 2007, 11:11 PM
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 Crazy for extravaganza... Group: Developers Posts: 890 Joined: 13-June 06 From: California, da USA Member No.: 99 |
I say true, I'm catholic and I'm not afraid to say it. I believe in God.
Some of you may be thinking, why is God making is people suffer when there is so many bad things happening in the world...? Well, it's not God. It us. We are the people that cause these problems everyday. For the homeless, and people who don't have jobs, we could help them. Most people choose not to, some people do. We don't help them cause either we think they're dirty, stinky, weird, and have too many personal things to worry about before helping other people out. We could help. We could make a difference. But, most of us choose not not. But were just children (well some of us), what could we do? We don't want to walk up to strangers and give them like money or food. That's just plain scary. I know believing in God is hard. It sounds crazy actually. But, really, thats what it all means. Having true faith in God should lead you into thinking "why do I believe"... Just like Mother Teresa. A few weeks ago, her diary was found, having an entry saying that she has a hard time believing in God, when seeing the people she takes care of suffer. But, really that's what it's all about. Having true faith means you need to believe and you need to have the trust that God will guide you, love you, and always be there for you your whole life. My explanation is done. -------------------- May all your dreams and wishes come true, Jeffrey =D President of Palakpakan Inc.  W.I.P. - Holiday Wishes - -Remember... Dreams Come True - RELEASED: - Believe... In Holiday Magic - -Fantasy in the Sky --Walt Disney's LuminAria- -Sorcery in the Sky! [NEW]- < vPyro Developer> - Got any questions? Send me a Personal Message or email me at jeff@vpyro.com > |
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Sep 19 2007, 11:16 PM
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<witty comment> Group: Admin Posts: 3,859 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Member No.: 1 |
Why do you believe in God, Jeff? Is it just something your family does so therefore you follow? Do you not question it? Do you not think about it?
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Sep 19 2007, 11:19 PM
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Spanish pyrotechnician Group: Full Members Posts: 334 Joined: 21-October 06 From: Spain Member No.: 919 |
I would like to talk about why I believe in God for hours.... My poor english does not allow me, but I'm totally agreed with Jeff
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Sep 20 2007, 02:17 AM
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Crazy for extravaganza... Group: Developers Posts: 890 Joined: 13-June 06 From: California, da USA Member No.: 99 |
I believe in God because I know He's always there for me. No matter what.
Just because my family is Catholic, doesn't mean I follow in there footsteps, I could make my own decision if I wanted to, and that was to believe in God. So, I'm still going in their direction. And I think about it a lot, which is called adolescence. I'm getting older so many questions pop up in my head. Whenever I pray to Him, he listens well. He never ignores me. He always returns back something special, and that's His love. He helps my problems and makes me believe that I could do anything. I question it... but that's why it's there. We are humans. We're not perfect. For an ideal faith, you should questions if their is a God or not, not just try to sacrifice your mind until it blows up from trying not to think about those questions. Plus, are you trying to convince me that there is no God? Well if you are, it'll never work... I could type pages and pages about this. But, I have to do my homework... -------------------- May all your dreams and wishes come true, Jeffrey =D President of Palakpakan Inc. W.I.P. - Holiday Wishes - -Remember... Dreams Come True - RELEASED: - Believe... In Holiday Magic - -Fantasy in the Sky --Walt Disney's LuminAria- -Sorcery in the Sky! [NEW]- < vPyro Developer> - Got any questions? Send me a Personal Message or email me at jeff@vpyro.com > |
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Sep 20 2007, 11:45 AM
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<witty comment> Group: Admin Posts: 3,859 Joined: 18-May 06 From: UK Member No.: 1 |
Well yes, I don't expect you to drop your faith just like that.
 We're all entitled to our opinions I guess. -------------------- |